Why vote for Kerry? Because it will give John McCain a better shot at the Presidency 4 years from now!

If Bush gets 4 more years the country will be so F'ed up that no one will want it.

If Bush wins short the dollar all you can...

Heh.... Fortunately, Bush will win.

you're a retard. read the news or something, you pure pure idiot. bush is the worst theng to ever happen to us.

you are possibly the dumbest piece of crap that ever walked the earth. Bush is the one that saved this nation after sept. 11

yeah, and bush did win. HAHAHAHAHA--Good bye Tom Daschle

hey

kerrys a fag... go bush

Not exactly cogent, there. McCain would have a better shot in an open election, with NO sitting president.

Personally, I prefer Sam Brownback

GO MCANINE!

All I have to say is this. When he was at the Grand Canyon, why couldn't he keep his big fat mouth shut? Why couldn't he have said something like "yeah I made a mistake voting for that Iraq resolution because I trusted the son-of-a-bitch".

I think he said that during the debate...just in a sweeter hound-doggish tone

It would have been clever and would have shown good communication skills. Right to the point !

He actually said that..."..We voted for the use of force only if all the legal instances were exhausted...;..the inspections, the UN resolutions, etc."

He could have said:
Fool me once: shame on you
Fool me twice... ah mean, you can't fool me...

My understanding is that the Bush people challenged Kerry to say how he would have voted knowing what he knew at that point. The key word here is "challenge". When told by the reporters that he had been challenged by the President, Kerry responded that he wasn't the type to shrink from a "challenge" and then proceeded to make the biggest mistake of the campaign. I think the Republicans knew their man.

My understanding is that the Bush people challenged Kerry to say how he would have voted knowing what he knew at that point. The key word here is "challenge". When told by the reporters that he had been challenged by the President, Kerry responded that he wasn't the type to shrink from a "challenge" and then proceeded to make the biggest mistake of the campaign. I think the Republicans knew their man.

My understanding is that the Bush people challenged Kerry to say how he would have voted knowing what he knew at that point. The key word here is "challenge". When told by the reporters that he had been challenged by the President, Kerry responded that he wasn't the type to shrink from a "challenge" and then proceeded to make the biggest mistake of the campaign. I think the Republicans knew their man.

He should have voted AGAINST the resolution to invade Iraq. Anyone with half a brain could have predicted that would be an obvious 'I told you so' vote.

He did vote against it - right before he voted for it.

Only voted for it because Bush lied to the senate. When he voted against it, it was because the lies were uncovered. I wish that deomcrates were less noble and fought as dirty as the pubs.

eye whish democrates new hoow two spel.

eye whish u new hoow two spel

Saying that Bush lied to him just like he lied to the American people is too easy, understandable and makes nothing but pure common sense. However, it offers no opportunity to explain the fine nuances that only Kerry can see and appreciate. It is also far too short - only 8 words.

Noble ? My God ,are you people THAT delusional to consider yourselves NOBLE ?

You mean you wish, say, that the Democrats would do such things as try to keep a third candidate off the ballot by legal challanges? Naaah, they are too nice to do that. Oh, wait! There's this Nader thing... -dk

Anybody see Kerry on one of the morning shows this week? They asked him whether Iraq was a mistake, AND HE STILL DOESN'T HAVE AN ANSWER! Gee, you think they might ask you that in the debates? This is unbelievable. He should have just had a stock 2-3 sentence answer memorized. SINCE MARCH!
We're going to get 4 more years of Chimp because Kerry is such a fucking inept politician.

Yeah, Kerry's so "inept" that he kicked all the other 9 Democratic candidates' butts by a huge margin!

That's the kind of rope-a-dope "inept" that inspires me!

Face it-- people pull for the genuine, idealistic, honest, hard-working underdog, even if he has clumsy moments.

I met another crusty Independent and Vietnam Veteran who is all for Kerry last night (he was the financial manager where I bought my new car). I thought he was a Repub. all the way, but he totally supports Kerry! Kerry inspires personal loyalty from the gut.

"Face it-- people pull for the genuine, idealistic, honest, hard-working underdog, even if he has clumsy moments."

If that was true, then Dean would have had the nomination.

Kerry won because the DNC threw its weight behind him, pure and simple.

I agree... Dean was politically assassinated by the media, plain and simple. (IMNSHO)

THe Republicans killed Dean. It's soo obvious. Dean started looking crazy and the GOP jumped on him. Dems got skittish and ran off of him. They went from mr insane man to Herman Munster

You apparently do not undertand the meaning of the word loyality. A loyal person would not run away from his fellow soldiers utilizing fictious methods.

You apparently do not understand the spelling of the word "loyalty."

nor indeed fictitious

he may inspire loyalty....but it comes from a place a tad bit lower than my gut.

Joe Lieberman

Oh, you mean the likes of Al Sharpton, Carolyn Brown, Kusinich and Dean? Of course he won the primary - my dog would make a better president than any of the other candidates. Truth is, somebody sobered up from a stupor one morning and realized that we were almost ready to nominate howard dean!

As far as your crusty independent goes, looks like you're just another sap who fell for the song and dance of a car salesman. I'm sure he'll be laughing all the way to the polling booth to vote for Bush, right before he goes out to dinner on the commission $$$ he got off your sale.

"KERRY INSPIRES PERSONAL LOYALTY FROM THE GUT" -

Oh my God that's funny - what planet are you from by the way? Welcome to earth. The only thing that Kerry ever inspired from our guts is nausea - otherwise; this site wouldn't exist!

YOU are fucking stupid to think Kerry was the strongest candidate. The media created Edwards and Massacred Dean. IOWA decided that Kerry should be the Dem nominee... FUCKING IOWA. WHO CARES ABOUT IOWA? If California had been able to decide things would have gone differently and we would stand a chance. I'M FROM MA. I remember the day that Kerry voted for war. I remember how angry I was. Kerry is the WORST candidate out of the bunch. "Liberal Massachusetts" BLAH BLAH BLAH. I go to Northeastern University -- I know Mike Dukakis personally -- I know that Mike Dukakis and John Kerry will have new something in common on November 3rd, if you catch my drift. All of you silly people who are INSPIRED by KERRY are absolutely insane. Be inspired by Kennedy. Be inspired by Dean. Kerry is a fucking losing twit. He has no chance. He never did. He's not running for the people, he's not a product of the times like Dean and Clark were in the primary... He's 60 years old. This is the last year he could have waited to run so he can serve 2 terms. GOD I HATE HIM. Oh, and Edwards is so inexperienced that there is NO WAY in hell he could be president. That is truly scary. Oh well, I'm voting for the ticket anyway so that I can insure that my gay ass doesn't end up placed on a secluded "gay only" Island by the SJC.

"YOU are fucking stupid to think Kerry was the strongest candidate."

I wish I could take away your right to vote for saying such disgusting things. You leave a very ugly mark on your post. I wish they wouldn't allow to post this. Distasteful and does nothing to change my stance. Your insults to other people only discredits you and demonstrates how scarce intelligence can be.

I'm an MA resident too. I couldn't agree with you more. Well put. As much as I love this country and my fellow Americans, I hope everyone else will feel our pain soon.

Kerry will put us all on island, too. Only he'll call it a luxury resort. Why should he listen or respond to the gay community at ALL if we continue to fund him and campaign for him no matter how many times he repeats that marriage is a sacred institution, etc. That goes for every other issue as well...this guy gets his money from corporations -- why should he listen to us when we'll vote for him no matter what he says or does?
And yeah, puh-lease, he is the most uninspiring candidate ever. I think some of his positions are actually to the right of Nixon's.
I'm voting for Nader!

Hey, you can't really blame Kerry on Iowa. Iowa was the only state that took Dean seriously in the beginning. Nobody paid him any attention until he shot up in the polls here because you'd go to a Dean rally and get really excited. You'd say "Oh my GOD, a Democrat who thinks Bush made MISTAKES!" (Yes, maybe you've forgotten 2003). In California, Dean never would have gotten any airtime, and the media would have given us Kerry-Edwards-Gephardt. Kerry would have won anyway because the other two are (possible, though surprising) even bigger losers, but it would have been July before he realized that we weren't all Republicans, and in October Kerry would have finally blown with the correct political winds. At the very, very least, you have to give Iowa credit for creating the Dean phenomenon, and therefore allowing Kerry to notice the winds in time to make things close.

P.S. It was Kucinich's fault that Dean crashed so badly when he made his crazy deal with Edwards. That, and the fact that Dean's support skewed so heavily young, and they got creamed by the old-timers who knew how to work a caucus. Still, I can't decide if I think Howard Dean would really have stood a chance. Instead of blaming Iowa, we should blame the Democrats for all being so inept. Wellstone would have made a kick-ass president, though.

Re: Kerry beating out 9 other Dems - hmm, let's see Howard EAAAAHHH Dean - all he had to do was wait it out until he self-destructed. Lieberman - paleeze. I can't really remember anyone else! As far as your new best friend...he's a Finance Manager at your new car dealer! So he F*&ked you over while you sat there like a dog. That alone should have you running over to the Reps toute suite. Jeez you are a moron

Kerry inspired personal loyalty from the gut. Bush inspired reason loyalty from the brain. Democrats are all about feel-good emotionalism.

Going to war in Iraq to make he world safer was a gut-wrenching decision, and it makes all of us uncomfortable. That doesn't mean that the decision was wrong. SOMEBODY has to start cleaning up that sewer, and at least Bush has the strength of character to do it.

truth is, he IS inept, just not as inept as the rest of the dem candidates were...but he's not stupid...dishonest, but not stupid...definitely scary...are we ever going to have a good choice for a president?

Kerry IS an inept politician,BUT then SO are MOST members of his party.

One word: windsurfing.

...hey now, let's just back off on that windsurfing thing. Up here in the upper left corner of the US map it's as common as mowin' the lawn...

Yes, windsurfing is common up there...for the idle rich. You limosine liberals are so out of touch that you put your guy in front of cameras windsurfing in order to appeal to average voters, not seeing what a stupid move it was. Thanks again you dumb Dems for nominating such a lous candidate!!! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

What the hell? Did you catch the name of this site? We don't love Kerry, we think his windsurfing, goose-hunting, Cheney's-daughter-mentioning moments are deplorable, but I would need 20 volumes to list all of the mortifying, idiotic, hypocritical, and downright dishonest shit coming out of the white house over the past 4 years. George W. Bush has done more to precipitate the decline of this country than any elected official has, ever, in our nation's history (except maybe Joe McCarthy, but I digress). Kerry may be boring, he may be a flip-flopper, he may not have spent a single Christmas in Cambodia, but at this point, who cares? I'd like Clinton back too! But that is, alas, impossible. So we must work with what we have, which is by leaps and bounds the preferable alternative- John Kerry.

Then why are you voting for Kerry? Think about it, four more years of Bush in office the Republicans might become stale or even repulsive to moderate Americans. They might be willing to give a strong Democrat a chance at governing...can you say HILLARY CLINTON 2008!!!

But, four years of Kerry! Even you Dems don't like the guy, think of the swing voters!!! They'll hate him even more when they have to listen to him day after day. Hillary would have little chance in 2012, and be too old in 2016. If you want a Clinton back in office, vote for Bush!

Well now, I suppose that clarifies the issue.
I want neither a Clinton nor a Bush, so now I finally feel thoroughly motivated to vote for Kerry.

Thank you very much:)

I made this exact point to my brother-in-law, who went completely ape-shit over the idea that the dems might/should throw the election in hope of a better 2008/2012. How the dems could so completely fuck up their chance to take advantage of the fault lines in the GOP by nominating Kerry is beyond me.
The Kerry nomination only makes sense for those dems really looking to the future (when hopefully Russ Feingold will finally see how important it is that he take over.)

Windsurfing?
We never said it.
Well, if we did, it must be taken out of context.
Better yet, you are putting a word in my mouth.
Okay, whatever was said, you just shove it.
love, teresa

Don't blame me. I caucused for Dick Gephardt.

I blame ALL Iowans.

I blame Eli Segal who was in charge of General Wes Clark's campaign when they decided NOT to go to Iowa. If Clark was the nominee, Bush would be 10 points behind right now. Let's see....a four star general who is handsome and intelligent-talk about persuading the "security moms."

Clark was the only one of the democratic candidates that I could stand, and now we're stuck with Kerry? Ugh. He's just lucky I hate Bush that much more.

A Clark/Cheney debate would have kicked ass.

Edwards can probably kick Cheney's ass in a debate much better than Clark could have (let's not forget that Clark never exactly displayed a silver tongue), but the vice-presidential debate has NO bearing on the election and is just for entertainment (but don't try it at home).

"Edwards can probably kick Cheney's ass in a debate much better than Clark could have "
Right, thats why Cheney won the debate, good call

sure Cheney kicked Edwards' butt all over the hall, but really, the statement is still true. Clark would have been that much worse...

Clark handsome? He looks like one of the rats from Roger Rabit. He was a shill from Slick and the Hildebeast put in to take out Dean with his dirty tricks staff. He couldn't get elected dog-catcher.

How do I know? Michael Moore endorsed him. Whether old Tub O'Guts eats you (he'll just about eat anything) or endorses you, the result is the same. You end up a big pile of steaming "Moore Dung."

i'm from flint, mi...where micheal moore is from...and let me tell you, he's a bully, a putz, a liar, and completely politically motivated...i don't think he wants office, i just think he wants to cause everyone strife, pain, frustration, did i say pain?, embarrassment, etc...just watch any of his movies! and disengenuous was definitely a good way of referring to him, though not as completely descriptive. why is he this way? all i can think of is: misery loves company.

i would have to disagree with the comment made about michael moore....although this isnt a site about michael moore bashing it looks like some one has taken the liberty of making it a temp. one. A) mike speaks for the underdog B) his movies...none of them have misrepresented any facts that were presented C) none of them had any doctored footage of the events recorded....it's not misery loves company, its giving the people who otherwised are ignored a chance to speak out. This country isn't fuckin flowers and candy open your eyes the poor, disenfranchized, and ill treated people are all around you. mike just opened your eyes to it
- inner city youth

this is one inner city youth that was obviously another child left behind.

Michael Moore is an America Basher who insulted all Americans calling them stupid in an interview...aren't you offended?

"Moore, who considers Americans "possibly the dumbest people on the planet," is himself a celebrated genius – especially when it comes to his grasp of the U.S. Constitution." http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15501

sorry to sound arrogant, but truthfully, there are some pretty stupid people living in the U.S. Of course there are good people here, too, but sometimes its amazing how hypocritical and ridiculous americans can be. And they always try to act so cute. Just look at some of the posts in this forum to demonstrate my point.

Americans are stupid like anybody else with the difference that americans grew up with the stupid notion of "number one"...there's nice smart people out there but not exactly the majority. That said I believe that most people with a good leader can overcome a lot of shortcomings and when I say a good leader I'm talking of someone with no religious fantasies, no demagogy...someone with a lot of common sense.

"i would have to disagree with the comment made about michael moore....although this isnt a site about michael moore bashing it looks like some one has taken the liberty of making it a temp. one. A) mike speaks for the underdog B) his movies...none of them have misrepresented any facts that were presented C) none of them had any doctored footage of the events recorded....it's not misery loves company, its giving the people who otherwised are ignored a chance to speak out. This country isn't fuckin flowers and candy open your eyes the poor, disenfranchized, and ill treated people are all around you. mike just opened your eyes to it - inner city youth"

1-Michael Moore loves America just like Hamas loves America, which is why they offered to distribute his latest steaming pile of dung
2-All of the facts are misrepresented, and often made up. Either hes an idiot or he knows hes decieving people.
2a- He may be an idiot because he dropped out of college due to a lack of parking spaces. PARKING SPACES!
3-Footage is not doctored but it is misrepresented (The "Florida Victory rally" happened in the early afternoon in anticipation of a victory in Florida, The woman he interviews so candidly is actually very involved in campaigning against Bush, Secret service patrol all of DC and I know because I live here yet he makes it some big deal they are in front of the embasy, also when he asked Congressmen to send there children to Iraq he leaves out those who DO have children servin in Iraq and the Congressmen who are in the reserves and wanted to go to Iraq but werent sent because of the danger it put the other soldiers in)

Thats enough, Moore is a liar and he does hate America (look at the comments he makes when hes overseas)

I apoligise for any spelling or gramatical errors I just came home from work and went to class all day before that

So work and school make you stupid? Sorry, I don't buy that excuse.

I won't take your word.

That's sexist.

I completely agree re Wes Clark. The one thing Kerry had to nail from day one wasrthe security issue and he never even came close. Clark would have had no trouble at all and made Bush look uninformed. Clark also would have been far better for VP than Edwards because John brought nothing to the table on the #1 issue.

The only job that Gephardt's experience prepares him well for is RUNNING for President, not BEING the President.

Don't forget the extra hard work to be mundane and boring.

Like the Orange Tan now John but if I vote for ya ya gotta promise never again!!

Let's add the BOTOX to the orange tan cream! What posseses a grown man to do that to himself? If a man is tha insecure in his own skin, then do we want him as president?

Do we really hate W that much?

Of course.

No, we really love our country that much.

Anyone who's been paying attention has ample evidence that the world has become less safe, and our country is less prosperous, with the Republicans in charge of the House, Senate, and Executive Branch. This administration has been a giant clusterf*ck from the get go, and a vote for Kerry/Edwards is a vote to slow our slide further downward.

idiot

No not idiot. This type of people real hate America! They can’t stand it when a good God fearing man is in the white house. So they believe everything the liberal media tells them. They can’t wait to get someone in the white house that will sell us out for anything. You know the old saying “If you don’t stand for something, you will fall for anything”. Even if you do not like Bush because he stand for something good and decent, at lest he stand for something, JFK, stand for whatever is popular today, sure hope he doesn’t change his mind tomorrow about something you believe in.

Some of us maybe don't like what Bush stands for, and don't like the idea of a "god fearing" man in the White House. Just because he stands for something doesn't make it good.

Oh, so the fact that Kerry doesn't have an f'n clue as to where he stands makes it better than someone who does? - I think we're in real trouble with this guy. After all, we're all here on a John Kerry hate site - and the irony is we are his constiuency!!!

"Oh, so the fact that Kerry doesn't have an f'n clue as to where he stands makes it better than someone who does? - I think we're in real trouble with this guy. After all, we're all here on a John Kerry hate site - and the irony is we are his constiuency!!!"

You've been listening to Republican spin too much. I'd rather have someone who is flexible (Kerry) in the white house than someone who is a liar (Bush).

flexible in this case being defined as 'spineless'
as to bush being a liar, let's face it, compared to the last administration, and his current competition, that's like michael moore calling ethiopians fat...
the real problem you have with bush is quite the opposite. when he says something he really means it, and follows through. there's a segment of this society that recoils from truth. that segment is comprised mostly of democrats.

Yeah, I love Ann Coulter too -- she's awesome.

It's so very sad that you think "when Bush says something he really means it."

wow, i'd rather have a president that lies about cum-ing than a president that lies about the reasons for going... to war.

The difference between Clinton and Bush is that Bush's lie has a cost (so far) of 1122 American Troops. On the other hand, Clinton's lie totaled at a cost of one, his dignity. On the other hand, Clinton, unlike Bush, had an uncanny ability to ride the macroeconomic wave of the 1990s. Bush has been unable to improve the economy. He has had the unemployment rate go from 4% to 5.5%. He has to become flexible enough to realize that the Laffer Curve system has its limitations and we can never be sure where we are on the curve. The key word there was flexible. Bush is unwilling to be flexible, which is why he blatantly bullied away other countries when he was about to attack Iraq. Granted, I don't like John Kerry, but I'd rather have him than a man who has a cross shoved so far up his ass that he can't be flexible and has the inability to seperate Church from State.

There is an over whelming lack of proof of anything Bush/Cheney used as a reason to invade Iraq. NO wmd's NO links to AlQueda, NO exportation of terrorism. Saddam was a bad guy, I'll grant you that. But he was contained in his country and doing no harm to Americans. When confronted with the facts that disprove all their reasons, what does this administration do? Continue ranting on the old talking points regardless of facts, regardless of mountains of evidence to the contrary, and then come up with a new talking point "We are exporting freedom" What a crock of BS. America hasn't bought it which explains why Bush/Cheny approval ratings are under 50% and why this election is even close. No one believes we have a snowballs chance in hell to press democracy in Iraq. And if democracy in Iraq is so important to us I have two questions. Why aren't we concerned about democracy in Russia, where Putin is rapidly reestablishing the old Kremlin rules? And what undemocratic dictatorship are we going to spill our young soldiers blood unseating next? I'll answer the last question for you. If Bush gets elected I bet a paycheck we'll be hearing about the push for Tehran next.

And if his humongous foreign affairs blunders aren't enough to persuade you, he has a litany of failures in the domestic arena we can discuss. From allowing campaign donators in big energy right his policies on the environment to no child left a dime to his gifts to the rich tax cuts. Clinton lied about getting a blow job from Monica, Bush lies about blowing our future away with his special interest groups.

I'm no Kerry fan, but America can't afford another 4 years of Bush/Cheney. Retire him and his entire cabinet and let them go down in history as the worst, most destructive administration in history.

Yea my son in law is not very smart and ended up in the Air Force. A Rotc student, now a Major working as a C 130 pilot, has a Masters Degree and serves and protects our country. Yep not a very smart guy!

With regards to Bush having a position, The Daily Show put it best when they likened him to driving into a brick wall without blinking. Yeah, Bush has a position: the wrong one. As someone else on this board pointed out, I'll take a flip-flop over a flop any day!

To paraphrase Alice Cooper, if you're listening to comedians (musicians/actors/etc.) to learn about politics, you're a bigger moron than anyone thought.

it might be a good idea to listen to some comedians. like Bill Hicks, for example, and on some days George Carlin.

Sure, it might be a good idea. If you're looking for laughs. If you're getting a political education from them, ..... well, you're a moron.

i guess sending young men and women over to iraq...the country WITHOUT NUCLEAR WEAPONS and the country who DIDN'T ATTACK US ON 9/11 is right. not only are we being led like blind sheep, we are in love with the man who is doing it...call it a hunch, but would jesus really do that? God fearing men dont Jeopardize their souls inorder to help haliburton get contracts in a country that hasn't posed a threat compared to the saudis or the north koreans. Yes he's a God fearing man (insert sarcastic voice here)

"i guess sending young men and women over to iraq...the country WITHOUT NUCLEAR WEAPONS and the country who DIDN'T ATTACK US ON 9/11 is right. not only are we being led like blind sheep, we are in love with the man who is doing it..."

I agree. Well said

That's pretty good:) yep, well said.

John kerry is not trying to sell out. And people have right to change their when they reflect and find their decisions to be wrong. Have you ever had regrets or made mistakes that lead you to change your way of thinking? Human beings are not software programs that follow the same programming year after year. We all need to be up-dated because we do not know everything. George Bush needs serious up-dating. We have to re-evaluate our decisions and admit when we've made errors in judgment and sometimes change our minds.

Anyone who uses the words "liberal media" is a dumb robot that'll repeat the republicans slogans. Wake the fuck up!!..there's very smart people in the media and then there's the biased ones...

How about looking at the research rather than constantly repeating the party spin. There is an alarming majority of liberals in the media, go to www.mediaresearchcenter.org there are plenty of studies to back up what most americans have come to realize (that the mass media has an alarming lean to the left of center). Furthermore, between the recent Rathergate and NYTrogate B.S. that cBS has tried to pull, there's not doubt in my mind that there is a liberal bias to most of the media.

The very existence of this site helps to solidify my support for BC04. Is it rational to vote for a Kerry based entirely on hatred for Bush?

That is absolutely ridiculous. How convenient for Bush that Dan Rather's blunder happened. Because the end result of that controversy, obviously not reported because of the fiasco caused by CBS's inability to check their sources, was that each person involved in this story stated that while the documents were false, none of the information contained in them was false. How convenient for Bush that this prevented him from having to discuss his silver-spoon upbringing / cowardice. I understand that there is a liberal bias of sorts in the media. However, there are SO many actions taken by the Bush contingency that the media should have made front page, and that should have outraged the nation. Instead these items are shown on the 8th page after the Vioxx lawyer’s ad.

Also - I don't personally give a damn about what Dan Rather did. It is our responsibility to ascertain the truth by looking at the original facts, not someone's version of it. Anyone who takes the media at face value without looking to multiple sources / original sources is the fool. We all know it is spun horribly.

And finally - if I had to chose between a group that forges a document containing entire truths that did nothing to harm anyone (unfortunately) because we as a nation have developed ADHD. Oooo, something shiny or controversial, let's look at that instead of what the true discussion is about - Bush ducking his duty. If I had to chose between that group of media fools and the group leading the current (not forever, no one ever is!) world power who uses forged documents (uranium - Nigeria) as a basis for rallying the country in his State of the Union as well as for actually bringing our nation to war, I'll take the dimwits at a media conglomerate who can't check their sources. We have an irresponsible bastard leading our nation whose strong personal beliefs include the concept of Armageddon. He seems determined to single-handedly bring about that prophecy.

Give me a break.

yup, absolutely ridiculous...
We all know it is spun horribly in one direction. And sure there are outright lies and forgeries in one direction.
But hey, all those lies are really just representing the truths hidden behind them, which we know are there but just can't find, doggone it, although we find a whole lot of real but inconvenient facts that contradict that elusive, hidden truth, but since that would also contradict our cherished beliefs, it's better to report the lies and ignore the facts. Really, it's all okay, really.
But it's absolutely ridiculous to dare speak of a liberal bias in the media...

I agree with your statement, but I just want to say the uranium was said to be from Niger.

Thanks for the correction, that was my mistype. :)

Your points are valid, but the vast majority of the media is seeing all of the information. They are learning about more topics than the average American voter. As a result, they are making a more informed decision. The fact that the Media tends to settle towards the left is perhaps the result of looking at the facts of the past administration.
You would then probably ask, what about the other members of the Media? Well, those members of the media are probably rich and hoarding all there money from Bush's tax cuts. Therefore, they would favor Bush over Kerry.
...its great when your argument is valid

Is not hate, is just pity for this idiot with ilusions of purpose.

Good news- the next 4 years will suck no matter whose in power. Massive debt, chaos in Iraq, duct tape on the Shuttle. The empire is crumbling, and the guy on top might as well be the one that screwed everything up in the first place.

Also, Gephardt ran pointlessly negative attacks that killed Dean's campaign in Iowa, handing the primary to Kerry. So, in fact, you can blame Gephardt's campaign for our current mess. He was the pebble that triggered the Kerry landslide. Of course, you can also blame Dean for not appealing to moderates, and you can blame Clark for skipping Iowa completely.

web sites like this will be illegal if Bush wins.

no pictures of Jesus or how destroying the world is actually part of the Bush base plan to bring on the 2nd coming..

Well, I guess this is the panic room after all.

You opine that websites like this will be illegal when Bush wins, but meanwhile Bush is candid enough to have his internal Administration reports critical of the Administration come out before the election. Somehow, I cannot see Clinton doing that.

Saddam made the supreme bluff, convincing Bush, Kerry, Tony, France, Germany, you and me that he had the WMD, and it got called. Intelligence sucked (not that I necessarily blame Clinton, nearly anyone human would have let their guard down in the post-Cold War). Let's put the resources toward dealing with today, not dissecting yesterday. My son was living in NYC. My daughter is at school in DC. I wanted that bluff called. I couldn't trust the UN to protect me and mine. Still wouldn't.

Cannot say the best candidates are coming to the fore--a good baseball owner representative and an undistinguished senator (the best qualification he has is that he "looks" like a senator). Maybe I need to rethink this and take the baseball owner representative with the hard-won experience over the self-absorbed senator. Bye-bye. Moving on to the "Dubious About W, But Voting for Him" website.

anyone who claims that they used to oppose bush but have decided to support him based on new information is full of shit.

Good.

we are all aware that he is part of those extreme bible thumping nuts who believe in that "rapture" shit right? not that im shitting on religion or anything but uhhh can you say scary?

Spoken like a true believer.

Okay, all can be rectified if Kerry is elected--Dean as Secy. of State!

That would only make me happy if Howard Dean were Secy. of State of Vermont...not the entire nation!

Howard Dean for FOX News Anchor!

Here Here. I will never vote democrat again w/o obama od dean

screw Sec. of State, DEAN FOR MESSIAH!!

I guess I fall into the moderate conservative camp, which also means I cannot vote for Bush. (Let Rove think he is going to win the election for his boss scraping for all those votes by the isolated and ill-informed whti his ugly propaganda).

Wiht all due respect to Dean, he would have assured a Bush victory. And that is why we now have Kerry. He has my vote. Dean would not.

Thanks for pointing that out - if Gephart tanked Dean's run then I cannot blame him, I must thank him. Truth is, Dean tanked himself. He is an angry little troll who crawled out from under his little bridge know by the rest of us as Vermont. Like Kerry, his ultra liberal nonsense might work well for his ultra liberal New England state but it doesn't sit well with most of us.

Is this the best we can do? 9 candidates in a primary and this is what we come up with? No wonder we've lost the white house, the senate and the house. Guess with a nominee like this, nobody in this party wants any of it back anytime soon.

The Republicans have always had the advantage of very little diversity within their ranks. Bush just needs to use the word "evil" and his ranks fall in line behind him--constitutional amendments and Bibles in hand.

While Democrats are occupied with debating each other (and the candidate they wanted to win), Bush is rolling out the Patriot Act and waving goodbye to reasonable bans on assault weapons.

Luckily, Bush is helping us get the cohesion that the Republicans have always had. Bush is our evil. We hate him so much that we'll vote for Kerry!

With Bush out of office, we've nowhere to go but up.

Let's just review the Bush record:

-Record Deficits
-More job losses than Herbert Hoover
-Tax Cuts for the top 1% only
-Supports Drug companies over the actual patients who need the drugs
-No Healthcare Plan
-Turned International Support into International Scorn
-Created a new terrorist haven in Iraq
-Still haven't captured Osama bin Laden
-Documented lying about the reasons for invading Iraq
-Documented lying about service record
-Declared victory in Iraq, right before 1,000+ soldiers and counting die
-Multiple arrests between President and Vice-President
-Drug and Alcohol issues for both the President, Vice-President, and, of course, the twins
-Will probably have to reinstitute the draft to replenish stretched military resources - who wouldn't be able to defend our borders right now if we were invaded
-Oil Buddies and Haliburton show record profits with no-bid contracts from the US Gov't while not actually providing any services
-Created far-reaching legislation that severely restricts the rights and freedoms of Americans
-Senior Cabinet Member indicates that an election that not everyone can vote in would still be valid (sound familiar, Florida?)
-Former President with extensive experience in validating the legitimacy of foreign elections, indicates that Florida does not meet the standards for a fair election and has seen better voting conditions in third world countries

To top this off, Bush insists on running on this record!!! Cakewalk, right? But no, the Democrats nominate the the one guy in the world who can't beat him!!! All Kerry needs to do is point out the items on this list and pack his bags for D.C. and he can't do it!!!

If there is a country left in 2008 (and if we still have the right to vote and aren't put under martial law) Let's hope that Hillary will have time to fix all of this!

So Michael Moore can write too!

Come on... Hillary? 2008 is for Howard Dean.

In 2008 we will be forced to re-elect John Kerry (unfortunately)!

DEAN, DEAN, DEAN, DEAN

Poor Dean. Is he dusting off his medical license?

Dean is over in the Swiss Alps right not enrolled in an advanced, multi-year yodelling course of study. He won't be finished in time for another run. Plus, his wife is the only democrat wife that is uglier than TuhRayZuh, and that's going some.

Dems haven't fielded a canddate with a decent-looking wife since JFK (the real one.) Hell, Slick couldn't even find a decent looking playmate for his cigar and phone sessions. What is it with democrats?

So now politicians' wives have to be good looking to get the vote? That's so screwed up.

Why does everyone forget about the lack of education? Bunnypants is going to turn this country into a 3rd world country if he gets 4 more years!

no offense boys but........please GOD let a woman have a try at this!

There are more women in this country than men. If we all voted, we could get a woman in office.

Nah. That's assuming men would all vote for a man, and women would all vote for a woman. But really, most men will still vote for men, and most women will still vote for the man they're most drawn to. At least Kerry has Edwards for that.

You are a fu**ing moron:

During the Hoover administration 8.1% of jobs were lost, since statistics have been kept in 1939, seven administrations/recessions have lost a higher percentage of jobs. I am in the 25% - 50% range, not the Top 1% and I paid over $2000 less in taxes. You only hurt your cause when you spew out lies. People stop listening, and want you to run to your corner and put on your tin-foil hat to block out the Karl Rove mind control rays... Moron

Bullshit

What a collection of lies. Bush ain't great but you don't have to make shit up about everything to say you don't like him.

"you don't have to make shit up about everything to say you don't like him"

Well, yes we do actually because our candidate cannot run on the merits and the issues so we have to employ this third grader strategy of calling your guy names and making stuff up about him - we're all banking on the hope that if we say enough outlandish lies about Bush then no one will notice that we can't say anything good about Kerry - sure hope it works!

You are a complete moron.

Do you real hate America that much that you believe all that liberal crap, or do you just hate what Bush believes in so much you are willing to believe anything bad? If you can use a computer and the internet, I must assume you are smart enough not to really believe all that media crap. Instead you must hate Bush because he stands for something contrary to the way you are living, and he is a constant reminder to you that what you are doing is wrong. That is the only reason, I can think of, why a person would hate such a moral person.

What to you is America that you keep accusing people of hating it? Because if you believe that America is only apple pie, bible study classes, and criminal military action then you're skipping a lot of the picture. If you believe patriotism is somehow limited to people who drive pickup trucks, or don't care about global issues then you're a part of the problem.

Do you real hate America that much that you believe all that liberal crap, or do you just hate what Bush believes in so much you are willing to believe anything bad? If you can use a computer and the internet, I must assume you are smart enough not to really believe all that media crap. Instead you must hate Bush because he stands for something contrary to the way you are living, and he is a constant reminder to you that what you are doing is wrong. That is the only reason, I can think of, why a person would hate such a moral person.

Do you real hate America that much that you believe all that liberal crap, or do you just hate what Bush believes in so much you are willing to believe anything bad? If you can use a computer and the internet, I must assume you are smart enough not to really believe all that media crap. Instead you must hate Bush because he stands for something contrary to the way you are living, and he is a constant reminder to you that what you are doing is wrong. That is the only reason, I can think of, why a person would hate such a moral person.

bush=moral person

thats a good one. your deadpan sense of humor actually travels well over the internet, and that is quite rare.

Is it possible for you to be more ignorant? Pull your head out of your ass, turn off the Conservative Media (be